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Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:11:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Dedicated supercap chars should get their skillpoints for racial BS 4 and 5 reimbursed.
Same goes for dedicated freighter chars |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:14:00 -
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Zent wrote:Wow will there be any reimbursement on the Iteron 5 industrial skill now only needing lvl 1 to fly it?
I support that as well!
When I trained that skill it was to be able to fly that Iteron 5.
And I'm not interested in the gallente T2 industrials and for the freighter I wouldn't require that skill any longer too besides I'm as well not interested in the gallente freighter |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:28:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:MisterAl tt1 wrote:Iteron5 with skill req. at 1 ? You gotta be kidding. Maybe remove all different industrials at all, with 1 leaving for every race, in that case? I missed that one in the changes. If that is accurate, it is stupid beyond all words. I have an idea...how about we scrap all pre-requisites all-together. You want to fly a Caldari frig..no problem, learn Caldari Frig I. You want to also fly a Gallente Titan, also no problem, just buy that skillbook and learn Gallente Titan I, no pre-requisites. This easing of skill restrictions is ridiculous. I know CCP wants more new players in fancy ships faster, and want to close the gap hard between high skilled and low skilled players, but these changes are a making a farce of well thought out skill plans.
Quote:Industrials
- All ship skill requirements reduced from 1-5 to 1. We want to overhaul Industrials roles as part of the Tiericide initiative and this is the first step in that direction. Watch out for more details when they are ready for player feedback.
- Racial Frigate skill requirement removed from the Industrial skill
I fail to have any idea about that overhaul but given the fact that the skill requirement drops to level 1 for each ship should yield a reimbursement for those who trained a skill to lvl 5 just to be able to get into the Iteron V or any freighter.
edit: Sorry, forgot to mention, I kind of like the changes but the reimbursement program should get extended as explained above. Yes, the 5% more cargo hold is quite good but spending around 3 weeks to get from +20% to +25% is not really worth it. Before the introduction of the Orca it was worth the time but since then, it's only worth the time for those interested to get into gallente transport ships or freighter ... with the later one dropping out with the changes |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.07 22:19:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Deornoth Drake wrote:
I fail to have any idea about that overhaul but given the fact that the skill requirement drops to level 1 for each ship should yield a reimbursement for those who trained a skill to lvl 5 just to be able to get into the Iteron V or any freighter.
What a bunch of crap about the Iteron and reimbursement. I'm pretty sure that after the tiericide there will be a max cargo variant (with minor differences) for every race. And the cargo size of that max cargo variant will most likely be even MORE skill bassed than it is today. So in order to have the equivalent of your current Iteron V after the tiericide, you will most likely STILL need that skill at V.
or just hop into an orca |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.09 12:13:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:This is all great but...I trained BS V on three races to fly the capitals. If that isn't a requirements any more I'd like those skill points back as I would never have trained them to that degree. That's 100+ days of training another player doing the same thing after these change won't have to do.
I know somebody with a similar problem but with freighters.
Oh, yes, I do know the counter-arguments:
Now you're able to fly each and every industrial and transport ship!
As if I would care about them when I'm able to fly all freighters and jump freighters.
Ok, maybe the transport ships of one race, but not all! |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.11 07:00:00 -
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Quintaar Syes-Khilorn wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:Nightlund Audeles wrote:Oh and another thing, I would like to have the time spent training to mining barge V back please since you are removing it and making it way to easy to fly an Orca. Nope, sorry  Mining Barge V is useful to get Exhumers however. Don't you like the soft, hypnotizing hum of Strip Miners? Dssssshh dssssshhh dsssssssh dssssssshhhh dsssssssshhhh. Well ... ****** ****** ****** ***** ****** ***** your smile. i trained that skill as a prereq for something else. It toke time. Time is money. GIVE IT BACK!
With the introduction of the orca, CCP used a similar argument, saying that e.g. Gallente Industrials V opens the way to Gallente Freighters and Transport ships, and not caring about the fact that all you are interested is a big ore hauler.
Now, they will try to use it again. However, this time it's not only the haulers who are affected, but alsothe freighter and capital pilots who trained long to achieve there goal. Incontrast to the orca introduction, this is not due to a new ship but the changes in skill requirements. Hence, I'm hoping that more people stand up and fight for the skill points the put into something thats not required any more.
Time is money. GIVE IT BACK! |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:26:00 -
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Sinzor Aumer wrote:Elirel wrote:For a dedicated carrier alt Battleship is nothing more than a timesink. Timesink that you decided to remove. In other words you are taking one and half months of subscription time. You are an... not so wise person. You dont understand your luck! NOW YOU CAN CROSS-TRAIN CARRIERS IN A WINK! Just imagine! A brand new world... __Where everyone ____Can fly ______A carrier ________Being a flavor of the month! No need to plan ahead~ No need to bother with fleet doctrines~ The choice was difficult. Now it's not. Relax. Take a deep breath. And step into the universe of tedium.
You are an ... not so wise person. You don't understand the power of BS levels IV and V getting reimbursed for two races in addition to "NOW YOU CAN CROSS-TRAIN CARRIERS IN A WINK!" |
Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:45:00 -
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Jungleland Roy wrote:No SP refund, No Re-map.
2 Years ago I trained a char to fly an orca. I didn't want to mine - I just wanted to have a hauling ship and at the same time I thought what the hell, I can use it to boost mining ops as well. So for 2 years I've had the use of the ship.
Now, if someone had told me 2 years ago that I could wait until Summer 2013 and get the orca without some useless mining skills - would I have waited? - NO! I wanted the ship back then, I skilled accordingly and have had the use of the ship for 2 years.
My only concern would be that due to the new skill changes I had to learn some other skills to get me back to where I am today - and CCP has imo satisfactorily dealt with that problem.
There are only 2 situations where people can feel unfairly treated with this method.
1) The guys who haven't read the forums/devblogs and are now skilling unnecessary skills to get into a ship a few days before the expansion hits. They will be pissed off - but we all know our answer to that one. Eve requires knowledge and keeping up to date on blogs and announcements - so unlucky for you matey.
And 2) The guys who want to fly a ship now but also know that the skill requirements are changing. They either skill unnecessary skills now OR wait for the changes. They have to decide to either do it now or wait for the change depending on how much they want to fly a ship now.
I see no reason for SP refund or re-map.
Roy
A about three months ago, my freighter alt started training for the 3 freighters she couldn't fly. So, now she is able to do it, but if I had known that 3 months ago, I wouldn't have trained 3 more racial industrials to lvl V. Hence, I vote for reimbursing soon to be obsolete prerequisits. These changes have not been announced anywhere before while the coming change to BC and destoyers was announced well in advance (thanks for the later one).
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Deornoth Drake
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Posted - 2013.02.12 21:30:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Deornoth Drake wrote:
A about three months ago, my freighter alt started training for the 3 freighters she couldn't fly. So, now she is able to do it, but if I had known that 3 months ago, I wouldn't have trained 3 more racial industrials to lvl V. Hence, I vote for reimbursing soon to be obsolete prerequisits. These changes have not been announced anywhere before while the coming change to BC and destoyers was announced well in advance (thanks for the later one).
You knew 3 months ago that there was a skill patch. If it was that important to you, you could have waited until specifics are known. Did you petition and get a GM's answer that nothing will change regarding the freighter skill requirements? That's the only scenario that would really justify a reimbursement and I find it a bit unlikely.
In the same way it is unlikely that a GM would have know about the patch affecting the freighter skill requirements. |
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